jtem:

NSRUS were a white nationalist group from Limerick and these are their stickers from the early 2000s. Irish White Nationalists: fuck up and fuck off.

Why do you even care?  It’s not your battle, certainly not until Ireland is free from foreign division & occupation.  The difference between you and the patriots is that you’re just looking for a fight.  Today it’s white nationalists, earlier it was sexism, in the past it was the use of the death penalty in the United States… abortion… fascists (which you approved the use of distinctly fascists tactics against)… imaginary “Islamophobists”… slut shaming…  YOU EVEN DEFENDED THE “RIGHTS”  OF THE BRITISH TO DIVIDE AND OCCUPY IRELAND!

As I have pointed out, but your agenda won’t allow you to accept:  The reason why there is a United States is because the founders did exactly the opposite of what you are doing. They knew they couldn’t solve all their problems at once, they knew they couldn’t resolve all their differences AND free themselves from the British, so they prioritized. They decided what was the most important goal — independence from the British — and left everything else for another day.

There were plenty in the Continental Congress who were passionate in their views against Slavery, for example.  I think it’s safe to say that slavery is a bit more serious that your “White Nationalism.” But, these men knew they couldn’t form a new nation and fight the slavery battle at the same time.  They were wise men, far wiser than you, and they followed their priorities, they refused to divide their resources, make enemies of potential allies and instead they did what they had to do and they accomplished their goal.  You never have. Ever.

Fight one battle:  Freeing Ireland.  Finish that one battle, achieve that one goal and then move on.  You can’t unify Ireland as you divide it.  You can’t both free it and defend those who occupy and oppress it.  You can’t rally the people while you attack them.

Stop working for the British.  Just stop. End it.  Tell yourself “No more.”  Promise yourself that you’ll stop serving the British. Next, start working against British imperialism — the colonization of Ireland and the denial of the Irish people of dominion over their own country.

D’ya know what, man? You have no idea what oppression feels like and your inability to comprehend solidarity and anti-oppressive sentiment in multiple cases makes that beyond evident. Half of what you post on your blog is twisted quotes that you use to try and make a point which the person you’re fighting withnevermade and the other half is complete ignorance. Keep ‘er lit preaching from your soapboxwaaaaaayover there because apparently you think ranting at people on tumblr is enough to do the trick politically. You don’t understand praxis and you don’t understand the people you’re arguing with nor the causes they’re fighting for.

I’m officially done replying to you, even in jest, because you’re ignorance astounds me, your arrogance repulses me, your inability to understand pragmatism and understand common solidarity and human decency makes me shudder and your attempts at sly digs and insults creates a magnetic force between by palm and my face. Your points are poor, ill-informed and just plain incorrect. Nobody’s got time for that shit.

tiocfaidharlulz:

jtem replied to your photo: from Anti-Fascist Action Ireland: A picture of… Hey, Ireland is divided and occupied, let’s claim the British have a “Right” to do so until the amend a piece of paper, and distract ourselves with abortion and WWII. Yeah! That’s work… for the…

You took a standalone quote there that didn’t even make the point I was making. Anyway, you’re deluded and until you have some pragmatic, or even informed, view on Ireland and what should be done here, I’m going to stick with my own views.

But,

No.

jtem:

tiocfaidharlulz:

 

Again, you’re right, the onus isn’t on the Irish. But it’s not on every British citizen either. What the British state did/does to my country was/is worthy of violent reaction and people should be repulsed by the British state because of it’s role in Ireland - North and south - particularly in it’s continued occupation of six of our counties. Britain judged and repressed, discriminately, the Irish people for their own benefit, Britain used the system to expliot my people and Britain advocated the idea that the Irish were scum, that they shouldn’t be accepted or respected, evident through the microcosmic “no Irish need apply” signs throughout British history. That kind of attitude, typical of the British state, is something which makes my blood boil; I understand and appreciate it does the same to you, however we seem to draw lines there - you’re willing to have an equal reaction to all British people because of the British state

No. I just made it clear that this was not the case. It is the case for the British IN THE NORTH. The north is partitioned by the British. The north is occupied and ruled by the British. The British consider the northern counties to be British soil. You will find them on every map of the U.K. And, yes, there is a HUGE, a MASSIVE difference between a Brit and a Brit moving to/living in the British partition. There is a MASSIVE difference between a Brit and a Brit taking advantage of the rape of Ireland. There is a difference between a Brit and a Brit traveling to British occupied Ireland to attend a school that only exists because of the rape of Ireland, a school which actually played an important political role in the rape of Ireland.

There is a difference.

Aye, but you keep saying there’s a difference, but not saying what the difference is. If they are not actively repressing, exploiting or degrading the Irish people - in fact, if some of them come here and turn out to be activists advocating a united Irish Republic - what is it I’m supposed to be against them being here for?

jtem:

tiocfaidharlulz:

Well, no. I go to Queens University in Belfast, I don’t see that as me “taking advantage” of the rape of my country. I agree the six counties continue to be raped and ruined by Britain but I don’t think anybody who uses the facilities here as being morally bankrupt for doing so - and I think to see it as so and to see the North as a seperate entity,

JTEM:

I agree that the moral dilemma is not on everyone, it’s not on any of the Irish. It’s on the British. The rape of Ireland shames the rapists, not the victim, not Ireland and not the Irish.

What’s more, I wouldn’t react the same way towards a French student, or a German student traveling to any part of Ireland, going to any school in Ireland. Ireland wasn’t raped in their name, for their benefit. No school was built for them with the blood of the Irish used to wet its mortar. The issue is a British girl moving to a British enclave created specifically for British people, just to attend a school that actually played an important political roll in the repression of the Irish in Ireland.

Yes, THAT is different from an Irish person living in that same enclave:  IT’S IRELAND, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, WHY SHOULDN’T THE IRISH LIVE THERE?

As for “it would be different in Dublin or Galway” because “she would not be taking advantage of the rape of Ireland” - British imperialism raped the whole of my nation and it’ effects are still heavily existing down south, in fact I’d argue there’s more West Brit attitudes in the South of Ireland than there is in the North. The partition of the country is maintained by the British, yes, but in the individual case you pointed out she would appear to be an unlikely candidate to support the continued partition of the country, British students studying here can’t vote on that issue and they did not create it themselves so I think it’s highly unfair and pointless to blame each individual Brit student here for partition.

Of course it’s wrong to benefit from the suffering of my people, but things have advanced since then. I’d love to see QUB reformed or taken down for a new university to be put up, I’d love to see the name changed. But going to that university doesn’t make any individual, and I refuse to accept that it makes me, a beneficiary of the deaths and struggles of my people. It’s in our interest to retake these shitty institutions and we have done.

tiocfaidharlulz:

I agree with you to an extent, but I don’t think you have it well enough in context and I think you’re way of thinking on this is indiscriminate; you have to look at it fairly and looking at circumstance.

I hope I’ve cleared things up, drew the blanket back some, uncovered most people and circumstances. The issue is not with anyone but the British, and only with the British in so far as the north goes. The issue is British people moving to an area of Ireland occupied & partitioned for British people, to go to a school that only exists because of that partition, a school that actually played a part in the historical repression of the Irish in Ireland.

It’s different for the non-British (whom the partition was not created for), it’s different for the Irish and it’s different for the British in any part of Ireland outside the north. A Brit in any part of Ireland outside the north is just fine. There are no issues there. But the north of Ireland remains under foreign — BRITISH — occupation and repression.

Again, you’re right, the onus isn’t on the Irish. But it’s not on every British citizen either. What the British state did/does to my country was/is worthy of violent reaction and people should be repulsed by the British state because of it’s role in Ireland - North and south - particularly in it’s continued occupation of six of our counties. Britain judged and repressed, discriminately, the Irish people for their own benefit, Britain used the system to expliot my people and Britain advocated the idea that the Irish were scum, that they shouldn’t be accepted or respected, evident through the microcosmic “no Irish need apply” signs throughout British history. That kind of attitude, typical of the British state, is something which makes my blood boil; I understand and appreciate it does the same to you, however we seem to draw lines there - you’re willing to have an equal reaction to all British people because of the British state - I will never do to the ordinary British individual what the British state did to the people of Ireland. A state is not it’s people; in almost every case historically it does not represent them and it does dispicable things on their behalf and in their name - as politically minded individuals we should be able to recognize this and not put it on the masses that that state claims to be acting for. There are British people who advocate a united Irish republic, they are not using Ireland and they are not disrespecting the culture and history of Ireland, a British individual (provided they do not benefit from imperialism at the detriment of my country, or disrespect my country) is a very welcome immigrant, much like every Polish, American, Vietnamese, Chinese, Roma or whatever other kind of student, is and should be in Ireland.

As for QUB’s history: as seanmacdiarmada pointed out, the other universities in Ireland (down suoth) NUIG, UCD etc. were founded int he same way Queens was. They’re all one in the same, that is simply the way the cookie crumbled in Ireland’s history; they are schools in Ireland and they’re used majorly by Irish student, in fact mostly nationalist Irish students. You won’t find a university over here that doesn’t apply to your rape description.

Of course the Irish should live here, in this “british” enclave (which I still reject as a statement). We do, we make up a large part of the six counties, that doesn’t mean other people shouldn’t be welcome to live here.

Maybe we may just agree to disagree, but I stand entirely by my point. The North of Ireland is as much part of Ireland as Co. Cork. The partition of the country is pathetic and I refuse to accept it politically, I drive five minutes down the road and I’m across the border, so obviously I agree with you on that, however the North is largely nationalist/Republican and Catholic or heretics of the Catholic religion - it’s not British, and the British and the Unionists well know it at this point, therefore I see no problem with individual Brits (who aren’t individually repressing others in the North) being here, in many cases they turn out to be great people with productive roles in our society.

Ireland’s raped historically by the British state, not the individual Brit. I understand that you don’t appreciate this fact, but as an individual from the North here who cares deeply and feels very passionately about the continuing struggle against British occupation in Ireland, I will not go against my individual comrades in Britain who have done nothing wrong to my country. The same as I won’t go against any individual comrade or average citizen of America or the European Union or any other state or group of states which have had a detrimental impact on Ireland.

Fair enough that we disagree, at least we’ve both bantered back and forth our opinions, and clearly I’m not going to change your mind on it. But this is just my opinion and I thought it was important to put it out there.

Saoirse don Éire agus Isbella abú lol